Dr. Song In China (thread #2)

[Sleeper Service]

It's also interesting that the rather obvious plant, John, has reappeared and reposted his glowing testimonial of Dr Song after miketrav's post. Plus there is jb's astounding post that we shouldn't actually expect symptom improvement but instead be grateful that all the pathogens have been killed because that's the real cure!

Here's a tip: If you've had your EPS/blood/urine/whatever tested multiple times using ELISA/PCR/culture and the most modern equipment available and nothing is found then that's because nothing sinister is there. If, on the other hand, a Chinese doctor can find multiple pathogens using little or outdated equipment then you should really be questioning what his motivation is. Apparently Dr Song has about 13,000 little green motivations.

It is, after all, rather easy to cure pathogens that simple aren't there.

[superuse]

Raping costwise... Where have I heard this observation before?

Does anyone even know if this Rob and Debbie aren't sockpuppetry also?

I gotta hand it to them though, these folks trying to make a vacation out of it. They are a determined bunch.

This fellow seems to say he had relatively minor symptoms. No pain, some frequency and some dribble. Not even the pain from "inflammation" to aid going off on the bacterial tangent. Seems like a prime candidate for SP for $3800 first rather than China for $13000 especially if he was in the US. (did he get a discount?)

How problems in this area screws with one's mind isn't fun.

I hope Dell reconsidered and passed on the China trip.

[HelpADude]

Wow, I read about Song but missed the $400 per day detail. I'm speechless.

I'm fluent in Chinese and read Chinese news daily. Due to the lack of consumer protection law, many people have resorted to "self-help" such as carrying relative's coffin and marching in front of a clinic that they think has done them wrong. An American doctor who spent a short time there are quite unsettled by the very pushy and demanding patients.

Song has avoided all these by targeting foreigner, smart dude. However, with the flow of information these days, you can bet your life that a day will come that he will answer for his deed, one way or other.

[Sleeper Service]

Posted by cooper on the prostatitis--dot--org board:

This is real....itsajourney and myself have contracted Hepatitis C from our time in China...we have confirmed test results from before showing no problems and a confirmed result from after saying we have it....

To anyone who has gone get tested NOW and anyone there or going you need to be aware of this.

Please do not delete this...this is real not some pissed off patient who wasn't happy.

Contact me via [email protected] with any questions...it is a throwaway email but I will contact you with another address.

This is very serious and not a joke.

Stevo I bet you are laughing your @ss off right now since I am reaping the rewards of my belief and support of something....it's what I get for trusting and being desperate.

This is truly horrifying.

[webslave]

They should sue the .org site, Debbie and Rob. Seriously. These people are conspiring and colluding to promote Song and get kick-backs from referrals. It's an open and shut case.

I notice that today, the same day this comes out, Debbie and Rob have been removed from the list of admins and moderators on the other forum ... the .org site is running scared.

[neis]

I am very sad about this news. I was the former stevo on the other site and was banned for repeatedly stressing two points; unknown standard of care (re-use of needles), and unknown components of the injectables. I am not laughing my ass off because I see us all as a fraternity of guys in the middle of a medical enigma that leaves us vulnerable to predators and quackery in our more desperate moments. I have long said Rob and Debbie are setting themselves up for legal problems(the reason they deleted all their posts long ago), and this appears to be the threshold crossed to trigger it. I hope and pray other infections don't begin to appear in these guys, and many others I've communicated with that went to Dr. Song. That other site's forum needs to be shut down and replaced with a notice to anyone entering it of these occurrences, and I fully agree with webslave that those he named need to be held legally accountable. Cooper, if you happen to read this, I take no joy in this and only had the best of intentions in our debates, and arguments, on and off the site.

[cooper]

I have never advocated labeling someone a 'shill' or 'suing ' online and the constant attacks on people made it hard to give much credence to the attackers as it was too easily written off as somebody who is angry or a nut. So I want to make it very clear the only thing I am saying is that I now have HepC. I strongly believe I did not before going based on LFTs, Symptoms and exposure risk. I am the second patient from the same treatment group in the DEC/JAN/FEB overlap. I very got sick in China. I have felt worse since back but was hoping it was part of the process before getting better. Is this absolute irrefutable proof? No...but it is very suggestive and just makes sense where it came from.

A lucky unplanned set of tests by the other individual showed him positive and he let me know immediately. I tested immediately and now have extremely high live enzymes and a positive HVC test. It all fits. Too coincidental. I don't know where in the process I/We were exposed but we were.I had no other exposures prior to going or in transit.the only exposures I had in China were at the clinic. This is not food borne.

Anyway...I now pay for my impatience and trust. Forever most likely. Either way the next year of my life is destroyed by adding this on top of other serious issues...one that the HepC treatment will make worse if I can even find a way to pay for it.

They need to find the source of contamination and quick....and even if the source was a patient (including me) then that means it has been spread between patients and that means poor medical procedure hygiene.

Good luck to everyone else...no more positive tests I hope.

[webslave]

Cooper, we withdraw our comments about you. Although you were a supporter of Song's at one stage, you are now clearly a victim in this situation. You now need to try to get this treated as soon as possible.

[cooper]

I am trying but I don't have the money to treat this plus everything else....I can't even get into a specialist appointment yet. This is a treatment process that may or may not help you and it is harsh. I am not looking forward to going through that alone especially in another country.

[superuse]

Great. What next.

Anyway, maybe we got the dell4 guy to put the trip off.

[scotsman]

Truely shocking news

Cooper - you have all my thoughts and best wishes in beating this new challenge over the coming months.

Richard.

[cooper]

Does anyone have any contacts for people with international legal experience?

Thank you

[webslave]

Cooper, I think you'd have to sue Song in China using a Chinese lawyer. International lawsuits are not easy or in many cases even possible (any lawyers here feel free to comment). Song is reputedly quite rich, so you could get significant damages. Now is a very good time to sue, and also approach news outlets like CNN to get coverage at the same time. Your story of a westerner getting conned into a quack treatment that leaves your health shattered would be great material for them, especially with all the concerns currently floating around about Chinese products etc. The Chinese hate scandals and especially with the Olympics approaching, that will be the last thing they want. That could help you get your case seen to soon and successfully.

In the US, you could sue Debbie and Rob. Make sure you get screen dumps of all of their websites and a full copy of every page saved on your computer, likewise with Song's site/s. Also simultaneously sue Bradley Hennenfent for allowing this sort of misuse of the Prostatitis Foundation website as a recruitment tool by people he knew were working for Song. Get screen dumps from that forum too. Move quickly, because they are using the delete key as we speak.

[cooper]

Slow down a bit. I have issue only with the fact I was given an infectious disease and that they are washing their hands of it and blaming me. Nobody at the .org site has ever hurt me directly. I know it is easy to make suppositions but I have no proof anyone is a shill. I DO have proof I got infected. Those people probably DO genuinely believe they are right. They think Song can do no wrong. Its natural to back someone up you think is helping you...I did it with Song in the beginning. As to the .org site and the Dr. Hennefant I have no issue with them. I don't believe they were a front for recruiting or anything.

This is not about Songs treatment....it seems to work in a percentage of people....this is about a horrible infectious disease being transmitted to patients.

I need help....this cannot be dismissed. I am nervous about the personal attacks sure to follow...several people now rallying around Song have my details and could try to mess with me if they felt inclined and I wouldn't put it past one or two.

I am alone, ill and weak and can barely manage the day....Any real assistance in appreciated

[webslave]

I have told you in a private message why I have advised you to sue and sue broadly. While some people beat Hep C spontaneously, your health is probably permanently compromised now, with a threat to the length and quality of your life, your emotional well-being, your intimate relationships, your ability to work. You need to wake up and realize how terribly serious this is. Everyone involved is culpable to a degree. I find it absolutely inconceivable that Rob and Debbie did what they did without payment. They worked tirelessly at recruiting for Song and even set up a website for him. But Dr Hennenfent is far more culpable, because he KNOWS that appointing moderators and admins intent on sending men to China for injections of unknown substances in a private "clinic" (actually a Changsha condominium) is a big no-no, but he allowed it, because money talks. Money talks — that is the bottom line and you have to grasp that if you want to understand this whole thing.

You told me in a private message that you do not believe you got scammed in China, but that's just it — you also have to accept that you DID get scammed in China, not only because 1) you were not cured and 2) because Song is definitely injecting steroids (a treatment you could have had in the US cheaply) as shown by the peeling glans and other typical steroid-induced symptoms, but 3) because he has probably F*&^*&D UP YOUR HEALTH FOR LIFE!!

He is famous in China for being penny-pinching with medical supplies and re-using needles, in fact that is exactly what one Chinese patient accuses him of doing. He and another patient had infection symptoms at the injection sites, as I remember. Read the thread. Coincidence?