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I'm starting this topic to discuss something that I think is critical to those of us with CPPS, yet is very difficult for us to manage--Latent Anxiety.

What is Latent Anxiety? As a layperson, I am describing latent anxiety as anxiety that we cannot generally feel unless a very specific trigger is addressed.

Many of us are anxious people and we are familiar with the sensations of anxiety such as feelings in the abdomen, a heightened warning state, etc. Many of us have lived with anxiety so long that we are excellent at repressing it. As children, we might have frequently had "butterflies in the stomach," but we don't get those anymore. We don't breathe fast, our heart rate doesn't accelerate. Yet I assert that we are still anxious. I believe that some of us have mastered this process of anxiety repression and taken it to the extreme, creating Latent Anxiety. In this form, we become consciously unaware of an issue that makes us anxious. We generally feel anxiety-free and may even be enjoying our free time. Yet we start to develop increases in our pelvic pain symptoms.

What are the signs of latent anxiety?
  • Avoidance: Is there something you should do that you generally avoid or put off? Social interaction, doing your business's accounting?
  • Compulsion: Is there something you frequently do to 'fill up time' and you end up spending far longer on it than you intended? During that time, are you 'zoned out'?
  • Trigger Issue: Are there certain personal situations where you find yourself suddenly getting very angry, disproportionally so?
  • Feeling of 'fakeness' in anxiety response: Do you suddenly confront issues in your life that make you feel like you could choose to say that you are ok, or could 'pretend' to be anxious and breathe hard and let your pulse race, but you feel guilty 'pretending'?
In general, I assert that there is a trigger issue that we have repressed and that is contributing to a latent anxiety.

Is this similar to the beliefs of Dr Sarno? Yes and no. Dr Sarno used to believe that repressed emotion leads to pain, but has since developed a theory that pain is a product of a frightened and angry subconscious distracting us from its emotions--a child like part of our mind. I don't necessarily disagree, but I have found that addressing trigger issues directly relieves some of the problems. If a subconscious mind needs to be addressed, it clearly has something to do with these trigger issues. I suggest you consider what Sarno is saying in full as a theory, and consider how latent anxiety may be a form of the problem.

What evidence do you have?
Since I developed CPPS, I have had five or six occasions in which the relationship between my symptoms and what I term, latent anxiety, have been self evident. I will now list some of them.
  • A long vacation: A little over a year ago, my wife and I took a long vacation to Britain. We spent three weeks hiking around the country. Within a week my symptoms had disappeared. I went from having moderate pain all of the time and while sitting to having no symptoms whatsoever. On the way over on a plane, I sat on my hip in two seats. On the way back, I sat straight up in one seat. Thanks Britain!
  • Conference blues: I was attending a technical conference for work. I really didn't want to go to this conference. I had been feeling well, but that week had more symptoms. I drove to the hotel and had pain for two days of the conference. A snowstorm hit and I 'decided' that the 'right thing to do' was to leave early By the time I got home, I was symptom free for the next month.
  • Party Crisis: My wife was having a party at our home. I had never had a party at my place before, and I was very anxious. I had told her that I would help out, but that for a few hours I wanted to work on a hobby. Anyway, I was having increased pain symptoms. At some point, I "freaked out" about an issue I can't even remember, and threw a plastic patio chair at a plastic patio table (the $25 dollar variety). This broke the table. I stomped off and got in my car and drove around for a while. Needless to say, this scared my wife, as I am never violent. And I had very little control over the incident, I didn't see it coming. After driving home, I was fine. I had no pain at all, the party was great, and I had no pain for the week after the party.
  • Job Hunt: Recently, I informed my boss that I was leaving academics and getting a job in industry. That week, my bladder started to hurt and my urethra started to sting. The flare got really bad and I chastised myself for thinking that I was well enough to go get a new job. A week and a half later, it faded away and I was fine again. Although I have had some irritation. This past Sunday, I sent out my first resume. I had been avoiding doing this for 6 months. By telling my boss, I had cornered myself and made myself face the issue. When I was about to finish the cover letter, I started to breathe really hard. I didn't 'have to'. Two years ago, I would have told myself to stop exaggerating my anxiety. Now I realize that it is real,so I let it out with heavy breathing, and finished the letter. Monday morning, I woke up feeling better than I have in 5 months. Not even the slightest tiny spec of unusual sensation in the pelvis.
Now, for those of you who are in the midst of a really bad flare, you won't see this change in your pain levels. I remember those times. The pain was constant. But now, with things under better control, I have a much stronger sense of what is going on here, and just how critical the anxiety component is in my condition.

So
  • If you feel good when you first wake up , but then end up with pain within the hour that gets worse all day long until you sleep.
  • If you have a history of anxiety
  • If you are under stress and you feel like you are 'exaggerating' or 'play acting' if you show it.
  • If you find yourself procrastinating or in compulsive behaviors.
Then I seriously suggest you consider that latent anxiety may be your core issue.

In that case, I still recommend the Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol. I also recommend daily practice of the stretching, relaxation, and moment-to-moment activities found in the protocol. In particular, I have found that the first stage of the yoga 'Pigeon Pose' is very helpful for me. Keep in mind that a daily stretching routine can be very relaxing and rewarding.

Pay special attention to the issues that you may be repressing without even realizing you are doing it. Let your feelings out, and get ready to learn to find issues that you think you have 'conquered' but have in fact merely repressed.

In order to get at Latent Anxiety, I have found the following helpful for me:
  • Play act the anxiety behaviors you don't exhibit: Ever wonder why some people talk about 'panic attacks' and 'anxiety' with fast breathing and rapid heart rate, etc? Ever wonder why you just never get those symptoms? Make them. Next time you sense that you are facing an issue that you are probably anxious about, play act those symptoms. You may feel guilty or weak, or whatever internal dynamic you have learned to use to repress anxiety, but deal with it. You will be surprised what the play acting might turn into.
  • Learn to face your procrastination in a new way You may avoid your trigger issues. But you do eventually get around to facing them. When you do, make sure that you acknowledge your anxiety, directly, in your body. Do the play acting if you can.
  • Learn to get angry successfully If you find yourself lashing out some, make sure you learn how to do it in a way that won't hurt anyone. But do not use the idea that anger is bad prevent you from displaying your anger. Just make it clear to those around your that your anger is not directed at them. Then make sure you don't direct it at them. Then let it out. Try not to break things. :)
  • Notice the connections. Fortunately for me, my wife likes to point out exactly how often my pain levels correspond with anxieties in my life, When I tell her 'but I can't feel it', she just smiles and says, "I know you can't." She is right. I am now done with the playacting phase and can feel it. You will to over time, and that is a good thing. Cause it is going to be there even when you can't feel it. Repressing it is not conquering it. You conquer it by feeling it through.
Even if the ultimate cause of chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome is viral, or muscular, or what not, the affect of anxiety on my symptoms is so complete and direct that it would be irrational for me to ignore it any further.

I hope this helps someone out there.
Last edited by LightningTree on Tue Oct 17, 2006 8:50 pm, edited 2 times in total.

This is not medical advice, and I am NOT a doctor of medicine or a related field.
* Age:33 Onset: February 2004.
* 99.9% IMPROVEMENT in 2.5 Years with the first year being the really hard part
* Current Symptoms: Mild irritation of perineal muscles on occasion. Relieved for days at a time by a specific stretch (see below).
* Initial Symptoms: Terrible penile, urethral, rectal, and perineal burning/aching with addition afferent sensations.
* Current Treatments: Deep stretching of the legs and pelvis. Most effective: Deep psoas and levitar ani stretch using the first phase of the "pigeon pose" from Yoga. When a deep pulling is felt in the middle of the pelvis next to the upper rectum, symptoms are completely alleviated for several days.
* Past Treatments Hyperprotection of the perineum for 1.7 years, Walking, Rectal biofeedback, Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol, Conditioned deep relaxation practice, Men's Multi-Vitamin and an Extra B-complex pill, all seemed to help.
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You obviously have a very good perspective on what's going on. When I was in graduate school my thesis had to do with a term called "Alexithymia" and Life stress in people with ulcerative colitis or irritable bowel syndrome. Dr. Sarno mentions this term (Alexithymia) in his Mind-Body book. Alexithymia is the inability to express emotion. Basically, through my thesis my hypothesis was confirmed in that, those who are high on the Alexithymia scale - those who have trouble expressing emotion, subsequently don't realize they are under stress. This was a very exciting study to conduct. I find myself with characteristics of alexithymia and have trouble always identifying my sources of stress. I have read Dr. Sarno's books and have had amazing results with it. I am not symptom free yet because I haven't completed all of the emotional work yet. Yes, I am a high strung person, I used to suffer from panic attacks and was on Klonopin for about 5 years. While on Klonopin I didn't have CPPS. However, within about 6 months of stopping the Klonopin I developed CPPS. Is chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome an emotional/Mind-Body disorder. In my mind ABSOLUTELY!!!!!. I think many of us are looking for a magic cure - medicine, herbs, SP, etc. that will magically make us well. chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome is a lifestyle/anxiety/stress related disorder. Those of us who deny such evidence probably have characteristics of alexithymia and do not realize our emotions, mental health, etc. led us to where we are in the chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome realm. As long as we "focus" on the body, muscles, nerves and ignore our emotional state, anxiety, etc. chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome will continue to impact our lives.

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Thanks Luke, that is a very interesting thesis you had. Wish mine had been that exciting! :)

Its interesting how there can be a schism along emotional ranges. Generally, I am known as a very emotionally expressive person who is in touch with my emotions as well as easily empathetic with others.

Yet when it comes to anxiety, in particular social anxiety and fear of failure, my adult psychology seems to have found a way to create this Alexithymia of which you write.

Interestingly enough, I also have difficulty judging other people's emotional reactions in facial expressions, but only when I am anxious. It may very well be that the pathways to empathy (through mirror neurons, etc.) get shut down in the process of activating my Alexithymia. Cognitive negatives then also seem to play a strong role. When I am relaxed, judging the emotional reactions of other people becomes easier.

Over the past year or so I have been trying to retrain myself to face fears in a different way, but it is difficult. I come from a family that does not face fear well. MY mother is wonderful, but tends to avoidance, and my grandmother has in the last 20 years become an agoraphobic.

THe first step was learning to feel anxiety and anger, and that is having a pay-off with my symptoms. Now I need to find a new approach to dealing with the emotions. I will likely turn to a psychologist for professional help with that.

If anyone would like to discuss these issues in this thread, I'd be happy to discuss them. I am also available by U2U for those that do not want to discuss this in public.

Again, thanks Luke for the insight into the terminology and the concepts. Sounds like I have a lot of reading to start doing.

This is not medical advice, and I am NOT a doctor of medicine or a related field.
* Age:33 Onset: February 2004.
* 99.9% IMPROVEMENT in 2.5 Years with the first year being the really hard part
* Current Symptoms: Mild irritation of perineal muscles on occasion. Relieved for days at a time by a specific stretch (see below).
* Initial Symptoms: Terrible penile, urethral, rectal, and perineal burning/aching with addition afferent sensations.
* Current Treatments: Deep stretching of the legs and pelvis. Most effective: Deep psoas and levitar ani stretch using the first phase of the "pigeon pose" from Yoga. When a deep pulling is felt in the middle of the pelvis next to the upper rectum, symptoms are completely alleviated for several days.
* Past Treatments Hyperprotection of the perineum for 1.7 years, Walking, Rectal biofeedback, Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol, Conditioned deep relaxation practice, Men's Multi-Vitamin and an Extra B-complex pill, all seemed to help.
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Recently I played golf with a doctor who had retired but was asked to join a family practice since he had so much experience. I told him about my chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome and he said that he had treated many patients who exhibited pain in the rectal/pelvic area. Generally he said that the pain often resolved after his patients would change their lifestyle; got divorced, got a new job etc. He thought that the pain was directly related to anxiety and I agreed. Then he said that the pain/anxiety cycle was subconscious and the patients were not aware of the connection. I thought this was very interesting since most of our latent anxiety is also related to our subconsious. I think that the SP directly treats this subconscious component. Anyone agree?
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I figured out pretty quickly that my anxiety was a major component of this frustrating problem. I've been on Xanax as needed for years, and I saw that it was at least as effective as pain medicine. I have post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) that is triggered by medical care. Any sort of illness in my family causes nightmares (of my own death) and panic attacks. I kept it in check when younger because we were all healthy, but at it's peak (after my wife was ill for a year), I stopped sleeping altogether and fell into hallucinations, catatonia, and, I once found myself speeding down a highway pointed at a bridge abutment. The first time I finally took a Xanax I sat down and cried. My brain hadn't stopped for months. Xanax and improved health kept me sane for a while, but my wife finally insisted that I try cognitive behavioural therapy - knowing that in our later years health issues would arise inevitably. The CBT was one of the hardest things I ever did. The last two sessions were held in a hospital operating room. A month later I was rolled into that very room on a gurney and was able to ask the doctor questions before I went under. That success was beyond anything I could have imagined. Another amazing thing is that even 2 years later, I feel like the PTSD has continued to improve as the therapist said it would, even without more treatment. I suspect I had no chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome during this time only because I was teaching and standing all day.

What left after the PTSD is treated, however, is latent anxiety concerning all things medical, and a brain that still tends to race. Add in being too sick to work, sitting around all day sick, and months of colitis and diarrhea, and presto, CPPS.

I went back to my therapist and he pointed me to a Mindfulness class. They are not uncommon around here. It consists of simple yoga and relaxation along with discussion of coping. It was developed at the U of Massachusetts:
http://www.umassmed.edu/cfm/
There are 8 2-hour sessions and an all day session. I'm half way into it and highly recommend it.

I'm also using relaxation CDs 2-3 times a day. I started with Emmett Miller's "Letting go of Stress", which is instruction and music.

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I really like Dr Jeffrey Thompson's "Awakened Mind System", which is just music, and will probably buy more of this.

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I have Dr. Jon Kabat-Zinn's "Guided Mindfulness Meditation" set, but I haven't tried them yet. I know it contains a 45 minute body scan.

An hour relaxing often relieves most of my pain. Sometimes I just can't get myself to let go, but I'm getting better. My therapist says it takes about 3 months of constant practice with CDs before I'll learn to relax just as thoroughly when needed without using them. He thinks most people can practice relaxation in general for a year before the learning curve levels out. I listen alone in the bedroom, which my wife (with great foresight) has decorated in a simple and calm manner. We try to keep it very neat and peaceful.
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This is an interesting topic, I had a post on health anxiety. I'm one like lightning that expresses my emotions and is in touch with other's feelings. My problem of anxiety I think stems from health anxiety and wanting to be in top health and not feel " defective" in some kind of way. I have small children and want to be there for them emotionally and I fear death and not being around them. I watched my Father die from CANCER of the prostate which spread to his bones over a period of 11 years, so this prostatitis issue and fear was a valid one for me, even though I have read there is no link between the two and my Urologist had agreed that this was not something to loose any sleep over, it will get better over time. I really believe that anxiety has caused this inflammation, I don't have the pain that most of you experience, I have had a few spasms in the perineum and rectum that has been painful, after I started PT work 6 weeks ago. I believe that's more of things getting worked on and I consider those events as pelvic muscles adjusting and healing from the PT work.

I have also been doing neurofeedback or biofeedback with my therapist and was doing this for a year before my onset in Feb. 2006, so I believe I had in some way a head start on the prostatitis which was slowly coming on, because I had urinary issues on and off before this, so the level of this tension was @ a different level then others. I have found this neurofeedback to be very helpful. Those of you who are wondering more about this can do a Google search and you will learn more about it. It's really catching on here in Los Angeles. So what ever form of anxiety we have it contributes to tension in our pelvis and creates the problems. It doesn't matter what form of anxiety we have.
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Hello everybody,
i find this topic very interesting as well. Since I'm in college at the moment and in a situation were I must succeed in order to get a good job later on, anxiety or latent anxiety has had a great impact on my life. I used to have thoughts like "what if things don't work out fine?" or "what if I'm gonna fail, will I ever be able to be happy for real?" about almost all the time. It is annoying, though I used to think it's necessary in order to make my Diploma. I've seen a lot of folks takin' it very easy and then drop out.
Now that I'm done with about 90% of the academical work and having enough time to finish the rest of it my symptoms seem to decrease; for the first time in 2 1/2 Years I feel like I'm seriously going to get better.
Me too I'm very sure that stress and anxiety related issues have a great impact on CPPS. I used to think it's just trigger points and muscles but it's not. Still I'm very glad to have a PT session on the weekend.
Also I feel like Dr. Wise's tapes really start to work. Everyday I look forward to do 'em. It helps me to relax, let go of stress and anxiety and it's also good for my self esteem.
latte wrote:I think that the SP directly treats this subconscious component. Anyone agree?
May I ask what is meant by "SP"?

Thank you and have a pain free day everybody,
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Danzig1788 wrote:May I ask what is meant by "SP"?
Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol (using physiotherapy and relaxation techniques to combat CPPS).

Richard.
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Lightning,

This post of yours is spot on for so many reasons. I'm doing PT and tackling chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome physically but I know and always have that anxiety is the cause of my chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome & the main perpetuating factor. I have learnt to deal with my social anxiety extremely well but when I'm working behind the bar at the pub (a previously feared job for a social phobic) I get extreme muscle pain at times when I dont feel obviously self conscious or jumpy with all the social activity around the bar.

Lets face it - there are facts that support the argument that men who suffer from chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome have numerous psychological problems ranging from severe and suicidal to mild. One study presented on this very board showed how one psychologist just treated chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome men with stress management and 86% improved to a significant degree.

There are people on this board who say - PT doesn't work for me, Stanford hasn't worked for me, this & that hasn't worked - I wonder if they had extensive therapy on their psychic problems / learnt to deal with life's problems differently if SP / physical therapy would then be more productive. Thats kind of what a guy was saying in a post above about us scratching around for therapies that help. The difference I believe is that the physical approach is just as important as the mental approach.

We all need to deal somehow with our demons. The demons that brought this condition on in the first place because the truth is a condition like chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome rarely hits a man who is happy, content, well balanced & secure in himself. It hits men who one way or the other, directly or indirectly, consciously or unconsciously have abused their unwittingly bodies for many years.
Age: 29 | Onset Age: 26 | Symptoms: initially severe burning throughout pelvis - much better; muscles spasms all over region, back pain, chronic IBS (much better) | Helped By: Psychotherapy, SP stretches, swimming, accepting the condition (understanding there is treatment); stress/anxiety management; possibly basic quercetin; valerian root, vit B & calc & magn supplements; gluten avoidance & especially dealing with chronic constipation. | Worsened By: stress / anxiety, too much sex; repressed emotions; personality goodist traits. 80% better
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I tend to agree. While I still think that the body may have something to do with where pain appears, and may contribute to the ability of pain to appear, I don't think the body alone creates this problem. That is where I stand currently. We will see in a few years time.... Its always tricky with this condition.

I spoke with my psychologist about this and she brought up the subject of generalized anxiety. This can be expressed as tension that isn't pronounced emotionally, or with a quick heartbeat or fast breathing. I wonder if what I do is push things down into a general anxiety where I can't feel it any more. So I use this technique to forge ahead, but pay for it with pain?

She agreed with me that it wasn't properly Alexythymia as I am emotionally responsive and cognizant. But in a way, generalized anxiety shares common properties with that more acute condition. So as a layman, it wouldn't surprise me if many of the characteristics associated with Alexthymia don't show up in a less acute form with generalized anxiety as well.

On the mind/body front (which to me is not a war, but a tideline) It would certainly be possible, I suppose, that a metabolic disorder, or a virus, or physiological predisposition could help create the conditions for body stress to create this pain. But there is simply no room left or doubt that anxiety is necessary for me to have this problem. Without anxiety, it goes away.

I've mentioned this before, but I will mention it again. Often doctors ask patients of chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome if they were sexually abused. The theory is that the pain is from guarding the genitals from assault, and a somatic response to disengaged emotions. I wonder if more generally, it couldn't be from the terrible anxiety brought on by post trauma conditioning.

Finally, I first discovered the Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol after my twin with this same problem first saw a physical therapist who told him that she often treated men coming out of boot camp who were having this problem. (Here in Virginia, there are many important military bases and bases for other institutions less often named.) Everyone knows what boot camp is for, and that kind of indoctrination, even if it is to help keep you alive, is bound to cause tremendous anxiety in some people. Once I heard that story, I looked up stretching and prostate pain and viola, discovered all of this stuff.

As a silver lining, our pain is making us deal with generalized, latent anxiety that I think often leads to hypertension in people with superior muscles. At least we got a sensory warning sign. And for those of you still battling the pain, remember, we can overcome it.

This is not medical advice, and I am NOT a doctor of medicine or a related field.
* Age:33 Onset: February 2004.
* 99.9% IMPROVEMENT in 2.5 Years with the first year being the really hard part
* Current Symptoms: Mild irritation of perineal muscles on occasion. Relieved for days at a time by a specific stretch (see below).
* Initial Symptoms: Terrible penile, urethral, rectal, and perineal burning/aching with addition afferent sensations.
* Current Treatments: Deep stretching of the legs and pelvis. Most effective: Deep psoas and levitar ani stretch using the first phase of the "pigeon pose" from Yoga. When a deep pulling is felt in the middle of the pelvis next to the upper rectum, symptoms are completely alleviated for several days.
* Past Treatments Hyperprotection of the perineum for 1.7 years, Walking, Rectal biofeedback, Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol, Conditioned deep relaxation practice, Men's Multi-Vitamin and an Extra B-complex pill, all seemed to help.
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For me personally, its built into my nervous system. I have always been very sensitive to stress. That is not something I am going to change. My basic body chemistry is built into the genes. My pelvis hurts everyday and has most of my life but I can manage my condition through relaxation and stretching. I don't mind and don't expect to cure this syndrome but I am happy to be able to reduce its effect on me day to day. Only when there seemed to be no hope that it was really bad. I agree that a generalized anxiety state is probably evident in my case just from my basic body chemistry.
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I agree, Latte. Its certainly built in to me, and it is built into my family. So I don't expect to become a laid back kind of guy! :smile: But there are ways of coping with anxiety that my family doesn't practice, and those will help. You know, the usual positive behavioral things that we all get some of but none of us get all of. I'm glad you brought this up because I don't want people to think that anxiety is like clothes you can just take off. Some of us are just more anxious than others at a deep level in response to stress.

I also agree with you that understanding that it relates to our anxiety eliminates a lot of the fear about where the condition comes from and makes it easier to tolerate.

And it is always going to be a ride on the ocean, up and down waves of anxiety, and we just deal with it as best we can. Many of us are on the same ocean, so we can all relate.
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* Age:33 Onset: February 2004.
* 99.9% IMPROVEMENT in 2.5 Years with the first year being the really hard part
* Current Symptoms: Mild irritation of perineal muscles on occasion. Relieved for days at a time by a specific stretch (see below).
* Initial Symptoms: Terrible penile, urethral, rectal, and perineal burning/aching with addition afferent sensations.
* Current Treatments: Deep stretching of the legs and pelvis. Most effective: Deep psoas and levitar ani stretch using the first phase of the "pigeon pose" from Yoga. When a deep pulling is felt in the middle of the pelvis next to the upper rectum, symptoms are completely alleviated for several days.
* Past Treatments Hyperprotection of the perineum for 1.7 years, Walking, Rectal biofeedback, Stanford/Wise-Anderson Protocol, Conditioned deep relaxation practice, Men's Multi-Vitamin and an Extra B-complex pill, all seemed to help.
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Absolutely Lightning Tree, I agree. By the way, I have been trying the Pigeon Pose and it works. It is pretty hard for me to do it like the pictures since I can't extend my back leg all the way back but it does alleviate the pain on my left buttock. I added it to my regimen. Thanks.
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