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I'm 34 and I've been suffering for 3 and a half months.

Since I've been getting myofascial/trigger point release therapy and using relaxation techniques I've had a 70% improvement in my symptoms (in the 6 weeks I've been using this approach).

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On the 5th July 03, after sex, I passed water and started to get burning sensations and the feeling to pass water again. Over the past 10 years I've also had about 1 incident a year when this occurred, but the feeling disappeared after a couple hours.

This time however, the feeling, which was intense but didn't really have any other pain, continued for 4 days - during which time more pain around my anus and perineum flared up along with a high temperature. Couldn't sleep, very distressed - went to the doctor.

Blood and urine samples were taken (initial urine tests were clear) and I was put on antibiotics, an anti-inflammatory and pain killers. Blood and urine tests came back clear but still had intense pain and the terrible feeling of always needing to urinate (later on I recognised that this was a form of penile pain -- as the "˜needing to go' feeling amplified into intense pain during a DRE by the urologist).

Symptoms were:
  • Increased frequency of urination
    Urgency in urination (constant needing to go which can get painful)
    Burning sensation between the legs
    Pain in the perineum
    Pain just above the anus (golf ball time)
    Pain in my bottom cheeks
    In the early days I had lower back pain and pain down my legs
I didn't have pain urinating (just a slight discomfort), always felt my bladder emptied, and had a good strong stream.

I didn't have problems or pain getting erections - or have pain when ejaculating, but the overall pain/sensation and burning feeling is worse for the rest of the day when I do ejaculate. This has been reduced massively by relaxing prior to organism (as suggested on this forum).

After 5 weeks I changed onto a second batch of antibiotics (got a reaction to the first batch) and whilst the symptoms had reduced slightly it was still horrific.

Medication was: Diclofenac 50mg (two a day), Trimethoprim 200mg (two a day) and co-codamol 30/500mg for pain. None of it seemed to make much of a difference.

Turning the corner:

I was feeling pretty low -- having read the usual horror stories about how long non-bacterial Prostatitis took to get better. Found this forum and ordered "˜A Headache in the Pelvis'. What a great book!!! immediately made me feel positive about beating this condition. Bought some books on relaxation techniques and had immediate benefits through breathing exercises. Also did the stretching exercises from the book (twice a day and still doing them).

I started to look for a physiotherapist who practiced myofascial/trigger point release (I'm based in central Scotland) and was signposted to Bill Taylor in Edinburgh by AlProst on this forum (thank you).

My second course of antibiotics were running out and my doctor and I agreed that I should come off all current medication since they didn't seem to be effective (8 weeks in total). I was to practice skilled relaxation and continue seeing my physio. I also started any accredited quercetin product once the antibiotics stopped (2 capsules a day).

My first session with my physio was on 3rd September. Bill has been treating chronic pelvic pain for some time, very much in line with the protocol being developed in Stanford.

Numerous trigger points were found and my pelvis was out of alignment. My first session with Bill lasted over 2 hours, when I had a thorough examination and initial external treatment of the trigger points and pelvis alignment. That night I had about a 20% decrease in my symptoms.

I've now had 6 sessions -- and recently my wife has been taught external trigger point release (which we have just started doing daily) and I'm continuing to see my physio weekly for internal trigger point release. On most occasions I've felt a direct improvement following the physiotherepy (either that night or the day after). This approach works. The "˜golf ball' feeling was away after the third session (I still had discomfort but the tension ball was gone).

Current symptoms:
  • Constant feelings of discomfort -- where previously it was outright pain.
    Pain around the rectum and "˜tense' feeling towards the end of the day (golf ball)
    Occasional pain in the penis (constant ache though)
    Still have frequency of urination
    I no longer have any perineum pain
Whilst I always have a sensation that things aren't right down there, I do have periods of the day (especially in the morning) when I'd say I was pain free -- not discomfort free yet, but pain free. It does tend to tie into what I'm doing -- anything stressful exacerbates the symptoms dramatically.

I've had flair ups (long period of driving, long days at work, etc) but they calm down again after a few days. Some days I get a lot of pain, for no apparent reason, but again it quietens down to the uncomfortable norm.

I'm currently stopping the any accredited quercetin product to see what effect that brings -- as I currently feel that my improvement is via the physiotherapy and relaxation techniques.

We're starting with biofeedback in the next couple of weeks -- to train my pelvic floor muscles.

My physio is very interested in my response to the treatment, as I saw him after only having the condition for 8 weeks -- whilst his experience in the past is seeing sufferers who have 12+ months under their belts. My progress has been pretty rapid to date (long may it continue). It just reiterates the importance of getting the appropriate treatment early.

I don't yet know how long it will be before I'm "˜cured' (6-8 months?) but I'm on the right path.

I'll continue to post updates on my progress.

Richard.
Last edited by scotsman on Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:20 pm, edited 4 times in total.
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Age: 54 CPPS: 20 Yrs Recovery Status: 95% Symptoms: Pain around perineum Makes Worse: Tension, sitting Makes Better: Stretching, triggerpoint therapy, relaxation
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Excellent posting :-D Your case is very interesting, since you are not a chronic sufferer yet. We shall monitor your progress keenly.

I think you should do all you can to end the pelvic myoneuropathy as soon as you can by as many means as you can, including Quercetin/Prostaprotek, a urinary alkalinizer like Prelief, an antihistamine like allegra, and possibly Elavil or Neurontin too. And that's only a start. Hit it with all the weapons we have. Here's a medications menu:
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If you can subdue the inflammation in the GU tract at the same time as relaxing the muscular/neurological problem, you may get cured faster. :nod:
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Thanks Mark.

Part of me wants to find out what really helps and part wants to take all I possibly can to get better sooner!

I guess my concern is that if I take it all at once, and recovery is slow, then I could be taking lots of items that I don't have to be.

I'm away to look at the medications list though :)

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I did not mean that you should take too many things at once, by the way, but I think that, in addition to what you are currently doing, taking one medication from at least three of these groups is a good idea (in no particular order):

1) phytotherapy (Quercetin/ProstaProtek)
2) alpha blockers (Xatral, etc)
3) antihistamines (Allegra, hydroxyzine etc)
4) Vit C (Ester form only)
5) opioid (Ultram only - non-addictive)
6) alkalinizer (stop urinary irritation, Prelief is best)
7) Neurontin (analgesic with other good effects)
8) Elavil (affects nerves, mast cells)

I'm probably overlooking some things here; it's off the top of my head.
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3) antihistamines (Allegra, hydroxyzine etc)
How come these are still on the list? I thought they got tarred with the same brush as Elmiron after that placebo controlled IC trial?
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Age: 39. | Onset Age: 30. Onset Date: January 2002. Symptoms (back then): Supra-pubic pain, back pain, urinary frequency, urgency and difficulty, weak stream, nocturia, (and variously) chronic fatigue, IBS. Current symptoms: more frequent than normal, but pretty much under control. Current amelioration: Xatral 10mg, Mirtazapine 30mg. | Worsened By: Stress, binge drinking, strained bowel movements, bloating, sitting on hard surfaces, jogging, and regularly - THE WINTER!

I'm not a medical expert. My comment is opinion. See your medical professional.
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Mark - are all items non-prescription?
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Scotsman yours starts up exactly the same way mine does . Over the last two years sex would make it worse . I've been tested for all the bacterias , none ever found so anti biotics were useless . I went to using condoms for sex and following the protocol on this web site and everything has been better . I tried unprotected sex again a while back and had the usual flare up . Did not use anti biotics as Doc suggested , just followed this web site and I am almost pain free again . I would say I'm in the chronic stages now and just have to learn to deal with it . Follow web slaves advice and find out what works for you . Also try and narrow down what brings on your attacks . I'm still working on that list myself .
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Hi Randy

Yep - I'm working on that list :smile:

Stress and tiredness is the worse - though sitting for extended periods doesn't help (did buy a special cushion from the US - which has helped big time).

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Richard.N wrote:
3) antihistamines (Allegra, hydroxyzine etc)
How come these are still on the list? I thought they got tarred with the same brush as Elmiron after that placebo controlled IC trial?
No, not really. Prof Theoharides pointed out that the dosages for the Atarax were very inadequate. I quote the good Prof:
....[they] were undertreated with hydroxyzine because only a fraction of them reached 50-75 mg per day which is what Dr. Sant and I recommend.
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scotsman wrote:Mark - are all items non-prescription?
No. Most are prescription. You need your uro's help in getting them.
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Personally I noticed a significant improvement when I increased the Atarax from 25 to 50mgs. Dr. Parsons said also that the generic Atarax only gives you about 75% of the stated dose. My experience is that Dr Theo is right.
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Glad to hear you are feeling a lot better! I'd agree with Mark in that it may be a good sign that you have caught this thing early - Good Luck!
This is not Medical advice - Consult your Doctor!

Age:39. Age at onset:31. Symptoms prior to treatment: Golf ball in rectum, severe urinary frequency (2-3x/hr; 5-10x/night); weak stream; painful ejaculation; coccygeal pain; tip of penis pain; general pelvic pain on left; testicular pain; supra-pubic pain. Current | Symptoms: Urinary frequency 1x every 2-3 hrs and 1-2 x a night; mild pelvic pain on left hand side (all symptoms still improving!)
Helped by: Trigger point release; avoiding exercise; pelvic floor relaxation; Neurontin decreased bladder sensitivity somewhat. Worsened by: Exercise; frequent ejaculation; ibuprofen irritates bladder. Made no difference: Diet; biofeedback; quercetin; Steroid anti-inflammatories; Elavil.

****UPDATE*** I am now able to sit again at work all day, and can perform moderate aerobic exersise again for the first time in 8 years!!!

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Mark

The area that I'm getting most distress and frustration over is the urinary side. As mentioned above I don't have pain passing water but I feel I need to go often and have a pain/burning feeling at the base/lower half of my penis.

My last session of internal trigger point release was pretty bad in that I had shooting pains up my penis (pudendal nerve I guess). I also had some pudendal nerve stretching done.

From the items you suggested in your post - which of the following would you recommend for calming that area/symptoms?
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1) phytotherapy (Quercetin/ProstaProtek)
2) alpha blockers (Xatral, etc)
3) antihistamines (Allegra, hydroxyzine etc)
4) Vit C (Ester form only)
5) opioid (Ultram only - non-addictive)
6) alkalinizer (stop urinary irritation, Prelief is best)
7) Neurontin (analgesic with other good effects)
8) Elavil (affects nerves, mast cells)
I've got an appointment with my doctor next Friday re the prescriptions.

Many thanks in advance.
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Latte wrote:
Personally I noticed a significant improvement when I increased the Atarax from 25 to 50mgs
Do you take 25mg twice daily, or 50 at night?

I take 25mg at night and it helps me sleep and have stopped waking up early in the morning with painful urgency. I wonder if an additional 25mg would help during the day.

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scotsman wrote:From the items you suggested in your post - which of the following would you recommend for calming that area/symptoms?
Richard, it depends on the individual. For some people certain medications work well, for others not at all. It depends on your genes.
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