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The results of a major study of Elmiron, Hydroxyzine and Placebo for IC/CPPS have been released. Elmiron is not much better than placebo. Nor is Atarax (Vistaril, hydroxyzine) at the low doses used in the study. Nor is the combination of the two (although it almost reached significance). The trial was cancelled because the drugs showed minimal benefit to IC/CPPS patients. When a pilot study leads to a full study cancellation, it means the scientists are saying: don't bother.

I cannot see why anyone would ever take Elmiron as a first choice drug again. :icon13:

Many men are paying big money (around $200/month in the US) to buy what for most is nothing more than an expensive and possibly dangerous placebo.

Read what women are reporting after using Elmiron:
I have my liver panels checked every 3 months for Elmiron. Also, my Elmiron sheet says that if you start bruising easily or notice abnormal bruising, to let your doctor know. I've cut myself a few times and the bleeding went on for a looooong time...the doc said that's from the Elmiron"¦.

If you are using Elmiron the drug fact sheet that comes with Elmiron recommends that you have your liver tested every 6 months"¦.

"¦.took Elmiron for six months. It caused diarrhoea and did not help my IC/CPPS. The diarrhoea stopped as soon as I stopped taking Elmiron. "¦.

"¦.I've been so nauseous since starting Elmiron 3 1/2 weeks ago. My dr. said it would go away but I always feel like I'm going to loose it.

"¦.I had nausea for 6 weeks when I first started taking Elmiron in 1997. It was so bad that I had to take anti-nausea medication.

.... my hair has started to fall out since starting Elmiron.

.... I cannot see at night after using Elmiron for 4 months. My night vision is gone.
Other patients report: itching, crumbling fingernails, bleeding that is difficult to stop (see case below), burning sensation in vagina and urethra, cataracts.

In clinical trials, the following reactions were reported: (frequency ~4%): alopecia (baldness), diarrhoea, nausea, headache, rash, dyspepsia, abdominal pain, liver function abnormalities, dizziness.

Other reactions reported were:

Digestive: Vomiting, mouth ulcer, colitis, esophagitis, gastritis, flatulence, constipation, anorexia, gum hemorrhage.
Hematologic: Anemia, ecchymosis, increased prothrombin time, increased partial thromboplastin time, leukopenia, thrombocytopenia.
Hypersensitive Reactions: Allergic reaction, photosensitivity.
Respiratory System: Pharyngitis, rhinitis, epistaxis (nosebleeds), dyspnea.
Skin and Appendages: Pruritus (itching), urticaria.
Special Senses: Conjunctivitis, tinnitus, optic neuritis, amblyopia, retinal hemorrhage (bleeding in eye).

Elmiron used to be owned by Alza Pharmaceuticals. They were bought recently by Johnson & Johnson. (You may remember that J&J were responsible for PROPULSID, a heartburn drug that disturbed cardiac function and resulted in the deaths of many children before it was withdrawn from sale. Propulsid has been cited as a suspect in 302 deaths.)

Here is evidence that Elmiron may have fatal side effects (this woman could have died without prompt medical care):
Massive Bleeding on a Bladder Protectant
A Case Report of Pentosan Polysulfate Sodium--Induced Coagulopathy
Sharlene Gill, MD; Sheldon C. Naiman, MD; Abeed Jamal, MD; Linda M. Vickars, MD

Arch Intern Med. 2002;162:1644-1645. ABSTRACT

Pentosan polysulfate sodium (Elmiron; Alza Pharmaceuticals, Mountain View, Calif) is an oral preparation of pentosan polysulfate used in the symptomatic management of interstitial cystitis. While pentosan polysulfate has a known heparinlike effect in its parenteral form, there have been no previous reports of coagulopathy with oral use. We present an interesting case of inadvertent systemic anticoagulation resulting in serious bleeding complications in a young woman taking oral pentosan polysulfate for interstitial cystitis.

A 17-year-old white girl was transferred to a tertiary care hospital following a carotid puncture during an attempted right internal jugular catheter insertion. She was subsequently admitted to the intensive care unit for airway and vascular management of an expanding neck hematoma necessitating intubation and associated with significant blood loss. On transfer, she was noted to have a coagulopathy with an international normalized ratio of 1.5 (normal, 0.9-1.1) and a significantly prolonged activated partial thromboplastin time (aPTT) of 61 seconds (normal, 25-37 seconds). Her white blood cell count was 28.4 x 106/µL, hemoglobin was 5.9 g/dL, and platelet count was 218 x 103/µL with unremarkable findings on peripheral smear. Renal and hepatic function were normal. Coagulation parameters had not been obtained prior to her central venous catheter insertion. Our patient had initially presented to her community hospital with an ulcerative colitis exacerbation requiring corticosteroid therapy and narcotics. The central venous catheter insertion was attempted in anticipation of commencing total parenteral nutrition. A diagnosis of interstitial cystitis was established 2 years prior with a modest improvement with imipramine and escalating doses of oral pentosan polysulfate sodium from the standard dose of 100 mg orally 3 times a day1 to a dose of 300 mg orally 3 times a day for the last 4 months. There was no history of a bleeding diathesis. An urgent contrast-enhanced computed tomographic scan of the neck and chest revealed an extensive 5.0 x 6.5-cm hematoma in the right side of the neck, causing tracheal deviation with displacement of the right common carotid artery and internal jugular vein and resulting in secondary compression of the superior vena cava. As reported in Table 1, further coagulation studies were executed on an MLA Electra1400 coagulation analyzer (Dade Behring, Mississauga, Ontario). Activated partial thromboplastin time was performed on plasma using Actin FSL (Dade Behring) and thrombin time was measured with Fibrindex human thrombin reagent (Ortho Diagnostics, Raritan, NJ). Batroxobin reagent (Reptilase; Pentapharm Ltd, Basel, Switzerland) was used to measure reptilase clotting time and heparin assay was performed through determination of factor Xa inactivation with S-2222 as a chromogenic substrate (Coatest Heparin; Diapharma Group, Inc, West Chester, Ohio). Studies for heparin absorption used heparin absorbent (Prob-Tek; Inotech Biosystems International, Rockville, Md). Measurable anti-Xa activity, prolonged thrombin time with a normal reptilase time, and normalization of aPTT with heparin absorption confirmed this to be a heparinoid effect. Heparin contamination was excluded by clinical assessment, yet repeated studies were consistent with a systemic anticoagulation effect as would be seen with full-dose unfractionated heparin. She required a total of 4 units of fresh frozen plasma and 6 units of packed red blood cells. The causative agent was concluded to be pentosan polysulfate with normalization of her coagulation parameters following discontinuation. She was subsequently extubated and transferred to the medical ward. Pentosan polysulfate treatment was not resumed.

Interstitial cystitis is a bladder disorder of an unknown, multifactorial etiology. An abnormal, inflamed bladder mucosa due to an insufficient glycosaminoglycan protectant layer has been postulated as a cause of interstitial cystitis. The beneficial effects of pentosan polysulfate in this setting are attributed to its properties as a glycosaminoglycan substitute.2-3 Since approval in 1996, the oral formulation of pentosan polysulfate (Elmiron) has emerged as front-line therapy in the management of interstitial cystitis. The parenteral anticoagulant effect of pentosan polysulfate is comparable to heparin, with prolongation of the aPTT by an inconclusive mechanism, independent of an antithrombin III and heparin cofactor II--mediated effect. Additionally, ex vivo anti-Xa activity is demonstrated.4 The oral bioavailability of pentosan polysulfate is poor and erratic, estimated at 3%.1 A study of oral pentosan polysulfate administered to 18 healthy volunteers reported negligible bioavailability after a single dose of 1500 mg failed to alter coagulation parameters.5 Furthermore, trials using oral pentosan polysulfate sodium doses greater than 900 mg/d reported no significant coagulopathies6-7 and no significant adverse anticoagulation effects were demonstrated in long-term studies (90-119 months) of oral pentosan polysulfate use in interstitial cystitis.8-9 Despite its limited bioavailability, coagulation monitoring with oral pentosan polysulfate has been suggested.1 This case demonstrates that the risk for a systemic anticoagulation effect secondary to oral pentosan polysulfate does truly exist. While our patient had received higher-dose therapy at 900 mg/d, this dose has not previously been associated with such an effect.1, 6-7 To our knowledge, our young patient represents the first reported case of a life-threatening pentosan polysulfate--induced coagulopathy, resulting in intubation and exposure to multiple blood products. With its increasing use in the management of interstitial cystitis, the importance of coagulation monitoring must be further emphasized in pentosan polysulfate--treated patients, particularly prior to invasive procedures or surgery.


So it is possible that someone taking Elmiron, injured in a car accident, for instance, could die from loss of blood due to taking this drug. It's possible. And that's just too high a price to pay for a chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome medication.

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Mark,

I have responded positively to a couple of your previous posts on the ICN website. I'm not a company rep. for Elmiron, so I do hope you view my opinion with respect. (Believe me, I am not overly impressed by some of the ethics that some pharmacutical companies have). Though I did not view your posts on the ICN website regarding the Elmiron issue, my basic understanding (from what you have posted on your website here) is that you really are thumbing down the product. Well, considering your previous post has a bunch of thumbs pointing down - that's pretty obvious. Regarding the clinical results of the recent testing of Elmiron with Atarax, I can see how some people would definitely think the products are not worth trying. However, I am one of those people for whom both of those products have worked extremely well. It was not an overnight success. Originally I started off with the diet, and after six months of Elmiron I noticed "a small" difference. My doctor encouraged me to take it a little longer along with Atarax. Since he is a doctor in the military, he was not gaining anything personally by prescribing Elmiron. At the year mark, my elmiron dosage was upped to 600 mgs since my symtoms (though improved) were not satisfactory. There were some theories going around at the time that some patients respond more favorably to a higher dosage. I found 500 mgs to be quite satisfactory, so I did not go any higher. The longer the medicine was taken, the better my symptoms. (Time could be another factor that caused a negative score for the drugs in the study.) My doctor and I discussed very carefully what possible side-affects there might be.
Nearly two years later, and I can say my life is pretty well normal for most of the time. Only once in a while do I have some minor symptoms (except for when I had to go off my meds. for some minor surgery). So far, no balding, no negative liver enzymes, no stomach troubles, etc. Long gone are the days where I thought about suicide because of the unbearable pain. Of course I do agree that natural treatments (if just as affective) can be less harsh on the body and are preferable. I'm also at the stage where I will see if I can lower my dosage of Elmiron. I don't like to take medicines in general, but I will if I can have my quality of life back. You may think my response to Elmiron is placebo based, but I truly do not believe it is. The progress was too long for me not to subconsciously wish I could quickly get better. I might be just one of the lucky ones in the small percentage of people with ic who truly benefit from the drugs mentioned in the study. Though we all have our own opionions and preferences of treatment, please try not to completely dismiss the benefits that some of these drugs might provide. Someone with chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome might be missing out on what could greatly help them to get their lives back.
With due respect to your opinion and pain-free health to your website users, I sign off.
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Thanks for expressing your opinion. It is very welcome here. Some thoughts:
  • I wonder how you would have done on CystoProtek (men: ProstaProtek) and/or CystaQ/Quercetin?
  • You have had no side-effects, but many others have, showing us that this is not a benign chemical. It worries me that people are thinking of taking Elmiron for life. Who knows what the eventual toxic side-effects could be? What cumulative effects are there (you know that one study showed bioaccumulation of Elmiron)?
  • I am fine too, and I did it without Elmiron. Should Elmiron not therefore be a last resort, when phytotherapy, trigger-point massage and less toxic medicines have all failed?
Food for thought :nod:
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Mark,

I agree that if a condition can be handled in the least invasive and chemical induced manner, then the better. At the time of my initial treatments, Cystoprotek was not really well known (as far as I know), so it wasn't really an option.

With other medical conditions - hereditary high cholesterol - I've been able to lower it considerably with diet and natural supplements. I do, however, try to be cautious with any type of supplements/medicines as some herbal supplements are not carefully regulated. E.g. sometimes there are inconsistencies i.e. too much or too little of an ingredient within a capsule. That's not to say they are all like that, because there are many very beneficial natural treatments on the market.

Actually, I do not want to be on meds. at all (I try to treat my body with respect - no alcohol, smoking, excercise, etc for years prior to ic). I am trying to see if I can lower my Elmiron dosage slowly without negative ramifications symptom-wise. I am not opposed to trying Cystoprotek at all, but the fear of being thrown into a horrendous flare makes me apprehensive. I'm sure many people can associate with the notion of "if it's not broken, don't mess with it". Anyway, I'm interested in hearing about more from those experiencing positive effects from CystoProtek or, its male counterpart, ProstaProtek.
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Marc,
I have seen your post on the ICN and I am also one that has been helped with Elmiron. I took Hydroxyzine in the Vistril form from July 2002 to March of this year before adding Elmiron to the mix. I had relief prior to starting it but have definately had more relief since. I also had a lot of concerns about the safety of this drug but after really looking at the whole picture, there are many more drugs that get taken on a daily basis that can cause problems also. For me it came down to quality of life. I have had IC for 28 1/2 years, diagnosed at 16 years old. Traumatized by treatments of silver nitrate then I did not go back to a urologist for further treatment for years. I just lived with the symptoms. This medication or combination of meds have given me a life back.
I don't want invasive treatments and as havenhope stated there are not careful regulations on some of the alternative treatments. So where does that leave some of us who are feeling better than we have in years?
As I believe I also stated on the ICN thread, with so many different possible causes for these conditions doesn't it make sense that treatments that work for one person may not work for others? There may not be high stastitics for lots of different treatments because we are all so different.
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dyno wrote:there are not careful regulations on some of the alternative treatments.
The same can be said of many FDA-approved treatments, unfortunately. I'd try CystoProtek before Elmiron.
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How do you know on the product you mentioned and all the other alternative medications that they don't cause the side effects of the drugs under study? Medications are made from natural products. For instance coral is used for medications and I know there are probably many others. What guidelines are there that you know what to look for in blood work etc. when using the alternatives that would alert your Dr. to a problem? Marc, I am trying to understand this all. I understand that there are problems with FDA products also but don't we know less about the alternative stuff than the FDA?

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Elmiron® has been marketed as a way to replenish the protective GAG layer of the bladder. Now that Elmiron® has been shown to be ineffective there is even more reason to consider taking CystoProtek. Unlike Elmiron®, which is a synthetic proteoglycan, CystoProtek® contains 5 natural ingredients, three of which replenish the GAG layer (glucosamine sulfate is a building block for GAG, while chondroitin sulfate and sodium hyaluronate are themselves components of GAG). The fourth ingredient, quercetin, reduces bladder inflammation. The fifth, kernel olive extract, helps heal damaged bladder mucosa.
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Okay, you have answered part of my questions but what about the guidelines for what to look for in bloodwork etc. with the natural products? How do we know we aren't getting too much of something? I know someone who post on ICN who takes A LOT of Glucosamine/Chondrotin everyday, who's to say that is not doing some of the same damage that Elmiron can?
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I agree that knowledge on all of these products is not satisfactory yet. However, if forced to decide between a synthetic GAG precursor and a natural one, I know which one I'd choose. Glucosamine and chondroitin have been very widely used for many years as arthritis remedies, so I think we'd know of toxicity and unacceptable side effects (like uncontrollable bleeding) by now.
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I think that is my point in all of this. You are really trying to push the natural way, and I feel that there are too many unknowns yet and not enough guidelines. With everyone's disease and bodies responding to medications differently with ALL medications people need to be monitored by a Dr. With IC having possible multiple causes, everyone could respond differently because the cause could be different. The problem with the natural approach is that these can be obtained without a prescription and then the person may not be monitored by a Dr. or a Dr. may not know what they are looking for in the way of side effects. At least with the FDA approved medications in most cases there are some perameters to go by. But when people are just out there mixing this with that and throwing caution to the wind with doseages I think there could be some real problems.

I am not saying that Elmiron is right for everyone, but there is no one treatment that is right for everyone. For me personally I would like to see some governing body over the natural remedies on the market today, I am not against them but just concerned about the lax laws surrounding useage and lack of warnings and side effect labels.

For me Elmiron is helping . Will I stay on it forever? I don't know and I hope not. But I would certainly not discourage someone from trying it, they would be under Dr.'s care and the warning signs are there if you are going to have problems and all you do is stop taking it. We take risks with anything we take in our bodies.

As you said in another post, we women on the ICN do chatter and there are a lot of us this medication has helped. So as far as the study results there are plenty of us who do question the results. Unless all of us fall into the small amount that are helped by it and if we are thank God for that because this medication has given us our lives back.

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If you are comfortable taking Elmiron and benefitting from it, please do not stop taking it because of my opinions. There is definitely a minority that is helped by this drug.

But here's the study I'd like to see: take a group of patients that benefits from Elmiron and start it on CystoProtek or ProstaProtek. The group may get the same benefit (more?) with less risk.
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That is what I am saying, I have not seen the studies that prove that. I do not see the control over the naturals that I would like to see. When a study like that is done with a governing body like the FDA as the final say so, I would be more willing to try that product but until that time I am one that I want the medical and scientific info to back up and give my Dr. some guidance on what to look for in specific medications for doseages, side effects and drug interactions. I want proof there is more benefit and less risk with the other documentation to back it up. I would like to see an identical study as to what Elmiron went through before it was approved so we can compare apples to apples. Or a study that is testing both at the same time. The big problem with studies of this type is with this disease and people being so individual and maybe men and women reacting differently to medications etc; it is going to be hard to get a study that people will agree with the results on. Also what are you going to do, take people off Elmiron for 6-12 months to rid their bodies of the benefit of it, to then see if they would be helped by the CystoProtek? You would have a hard time finding people willing to give up that relief they have achieved.

As far a minority being helped I would guess many treatments are like that. But as has been said, were there really enough subjects that took part in that study to give it a fair look? I knew all along that less than 50% were helped, whatever the percentage was before this study. But if that amount were helped than that is that many more people that have been given their lives back. In their cases that was what treatment that worked.

I just don't want people discouraged to give this medication a chance if that is what they and their Dr.s decide is a route to try. I don't know if prostatitis has the same dynamics of several different possible causes like IC does but obviously what works for some won't work for all.

Maybe someday a study like you suggest could be done and prove me wrong. If that happens, GREAT, it gives us another good avenue for treatment.

Good Luck to all of you.

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dyno wrote:When a study like that is done with a governing body like the FDA as the final say so, I would be more willing to try that product but until that time I am one that I want the medical and scientific info to back up and give my Dr. some guidance on what to look for in specific medications for doseages, side effects and drug interactions.
You are remarkably trusting of the FDA, which has a shocking safety record, especially recently. In addition, there are many studies showing that Elmiron is anything but safe. For some people, in some circumstances, it may be a fatal choice.
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