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There are some posts by Song's Chinese patients here. I have had a translation made (below). If you are Chinese speaking and can correct any errors in this translation, please email me.
Song's Chinese patients wrote:Inside Story of Hunan Song Ping, blood and tears of complaints - patients Xiaojun the tragic experience

Song's treatment has many side effects, hormone [steroids] injections to patients, side effects are great, they produce adrenal dependence, must not be taken in by them, otherwise you will suffer for life! There was a case in Beijing Lao Zhao, a Shih from Taiwan, where his long-term treatment of a graduate student, whose name I cannot remember, and so on, even the Dr Song's "friend" Xiaoding is obviously dependent on the drug, after stopping all their uncomfortable treatments, or even all their pain, and this is very troublesome consequences, very troublesome! This is not the right way to make money! Their current address is Changsha City on May 1 West Road 717, May 1 Shinkansen office, Room 920, some people hope not to be taken in by them.
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July 2003
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Song Ping - Expose the fraud
This is about my treatment at Xiangtan by Dr Song, and I feel extremely cheated after Song's treatment.
First, I would like to thank this forum for providing gratis that people may speak their minds as patients! Following comments are my real experiences, and only represent my personal views, and not the views of the Forum.
Six months before the onset of a pain in the perineum and lower abdomen discomfort, I had other things such as frequency & urgency. Compared to other patients I am both fortunate and unfortunate; it is fortunate that I know from the Internet of the incidence of the disease and the danger of becoming an intractable case, and began aggressive treatment, but unfortunately I was cheated out of more than 20,000 yen and not only was I not cured, but to add to the illness, I lost the time needed to treat the disease early ....
I found out from the Internet about Song's "Xiangtan systems engineering therapy", from Song's very tempting forum, so I and other patients became convinced, and several days in a row discussed the treatment via telephone with Dr Song's wife, who is now Forum High (admin), and she gave repeatedly assurances to me and my wife that I would be completely cured in half a month, and the total cost of treatment will not be more than 10,000 yen! Although my wife and I are now very angry, but at that time I had very terrible pain, I was at home off work, and there was not the slightest hesitation on what was promised to us, and although I have a very thrifty wife, who is even reluctant to buy decent clothes, but she still had to loan 16,000 yen from the bank, and in two days we proceeded to Xiangtan.
In Xiangtan, .... a couple who were treated at the same time, and he was very angry, saying: "This is a sham; I struggled for more than a month, also to no good." I was very disappointed, but I also doubted other centers that treat prostatitis (Xiaoding, Ding-ding, Healthy and Happy, Dr Chan) ....and I know the temptation of cheaper treatments than Dr Song's exist (such as X Zhejiang, University of Z etc.) but I thought Dr Song would spend the money to do the many tests for things like Coxsackie virus, Golden Grape cocci, white Staphylococcus aureus, Mycoplasma of urine, the human form of Mycoplasma, reproductive mycoplasma, chlamydia trachomatis, non-gonococcus urethritis, and for all of these I think I was treated without improvement, and after Song repeated "comfort, I encourage", I finally plucked up the courage and reluctantly accepted the "reality "! (to be continued)
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Here is the profile of Dr Song: Song Ping, 38 years old, graduated from Hunan health school, instead of the vaunted medical school of Hunan, as an official in the prostate treatment about three years ago. He used to be a Xiangtan hospital doctor, primarily engaged in ear treatment, but he discovered that the treatment of inflammation of the prostate was much more profitable and has gotten so far nearly 10 million yen in profits, and countless patients with hard-earned money have been cleaned out, pressed until no money was left, and then were mercilessly kicked out of the compound and told they could shout every day but would not be heard by anyone! Although Song Ping has tens of millions of yen in profits, but his people are very careful and cautious, never free to express themselves publicly. His appearance is plain, approachable, gives us a very sincere feeling, so no wonder countless patients are being duped, this is the truth! His greatest advantage is "thrift and economy," he is very good at re-using waste, such as used syringes, needles, cotton fiber, gloves, and so on! Please, cheated friends, stand up together to expose his deceptive tricks to let more people know him as a liar, watching so many people every day going to bite the bait, I think that really you'd have to be heartless to allow it, after all, we are all suffering buddies, we cannot let them get cheated of money, and then, like me, also delay treating the disease!
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Song's treatment of prostate involves mainly the injecting drug around and into the vas deferens, seminal vesicles and prostate. On drug ingredients, I found out that they are mainly roxithromycin, minocycline, and other antibacterial drugs, coupled with steroids and analgesic drugs, etc. (This information is not easy to access) The steroids and pain medicine have obvious side effects, and the dosage is gradually increased. Every day I had 1-2 injections, an injection price is 300 yen, 500 yen is two needles, coupled with a throat swab (Song also said there throat infection) and then urethral irrigation, basically I paid 1,000 yen per day for the drugs! However, I found that some people do not pay for the injections or their payments are halved (such as Xiaoding, and others did not contribute money for the injections), and some returning patients do not pay full price, because Song is afraid of them making statements, so drug price is halved, and there are some less well-off people (like me) who get a reduction in price by complimenting and flattering Dr Song, and we even deceive patients, it is so all "you tricked me, I cheat you", mutual deception of new patients just like we were deceived by other patients before us, so every day there are so many people who get cheated. This is the reason why!! While some of the messages at Song's Forum were more credible, most are not, and a small number of people were posting as many people, and only a small number of patients knew the hidden truth of the messages! In fact, these people began to feel very effective, but no-one saw through fraud and not because of the concealed IP, but just take me as an example, my IP was banned when I asked too many questions, after first suffering unprovoked attacks and being framed! In short, if you are an ex-patient you must be very careful or you will be kicked out immediately. These small tricks are played by Song's wife generally just on newly arrived posters on their forum. She must carefully observe you, and if you seem a little dissatisfied, then your IP or username will be banned without warning.
Song and his wife are both two-faced, and she eavesdrops on the patients conversations day and night, and she will not tolerate unwarranted criticisms or attacks by patients! (To be continued)
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Although Dr Song assured me that the recovery time would be 30 days, my illness persisted, despite feeling better on some days, and as time went on I was not improving. Many patients felt the same, such as Fujian XU. Every day we saw old patients coming back for more treatments, and actually I have never met a patient who was cured by Song! To save money for Song's medical treatment, my wife and I ate only quick meals and lived in cheap Hostels (Xiangtan is the cheapest of all) but eventually the money was exhausted, and the illness had not turned for the better. Then then I wanted to go back home, but this time Dr Song came out strongly to persuade me that the disease needed more treatment and he would treat me at a reduced price when I returned, and I agreed to the concessions. So I went home and raised part of the money, and then had more injections and, in this period, many new patients arrived, they had the naive desire to come here for better treatment, people such as ZHAO Hubei, Beijing ZHANG, YE Zhejiang, Jiangsu DONG, from the Northeast there were several, such as old ZHANG LI, and some from Guangdong etc., etc. Many, many of these people are still in contact with me and they all hate Song and his deception!
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Song has a clever, clever trick of his own with all the "testing" because we are shown the positive results of his treatment, this is a powerful inducement to continue treatment, Dr Song will tell you that as long as you are willing to part with huge sums of money, he is willing to fight as long as he lives to cure you. He'll say that after a period of time things will be much better with you, your prostate is getting better, and you'll soon be cured, you should have no problem, and so on like that to lure you, it makes you feel that you are getting a very good treatment effect, of course, he uses the test results as a small trick and that is Song's strength. He is impatient with people who cannot pay, his best hope is that these people get out quickly, they hinder his business, usually the poor patients are asked by Song after one month to take their own medicines, like the old saying: "This disease cannot be immediately cured, it is necessary to go back to waiting for a few months", or he'll give you a few free needles, and then say you qualified as cured, you must now leave!
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At that time I too thought that I should go home and wait for a period of time and await my cure as Song instructed. But the outcome on the contrary is not only no good, but the symptoms are increased by Song's injections. My vas deferens is swollen to about the size of a thumb, and the Argentinian Hubei is another good example of this, we can see from his posts at the Forum (during his treatment, so his posts were not deleted). He fought almost two months now without the slightest bit of good, and he is like a walking corpse, no longer married, no house, no money, no ... When I had spent the last penny, Song examined me and announced me cured, and reluctantly I had to go home, as I was laid off after a buyout of my work unit, there is no work, and because of the recession and layoffs, I stay at home in order to save money. But because of the debt owed to Song, I need to find work, but I was at home just two months before I had a relapse, and the illness is more serious now, so it is impossible to work. Do I have HIV??! Since the treatment I am allergic to erythromycin, which causes a lot of rashes, which have still not completely disappeared. In addition, Song's needle disinfection is not strict, and the injection locations were infected and inflamed, so I went to the hospital and the doctors told me this sort inflammation is caused by unsterilised needles, and later I learned that the a number of people treated by Song during my time there had similar complaints and therefore we shared needles. I am so scared of the syphilis, HIV, Hepatitis B. If infected with HIV I would be finished, even if Song paid me back the money. Song Ping, you black-hearted man with no conscience!!!!! You are an animal!!!!! In the future, you and your son will pay the price, your wife will elope with the money cheated from others, retribution will fall on your head, if you do not believe me just wait and see ! ! ! ! ! Song's patients are the victims, they know the truth, and I will make the whole of China aware of your fraud, let prostatitis patients no longer be made much worse, please all of you speak your minds, we have to expose Song and his wife together. I will continue to expose the ugly face of Song and his evil acts, and I thank you for your concern! I look forward to your exchanges and communication!

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THE NEXT POST DATES FROM ANOTHER POSTER ON 2006-10-22
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I was treated in Xiangtan in Hunan, Dr Lao Song (Song Ping) for prostatitis, by injections of the "secret formula" of corticosteroid drugs. The long-term use of hormone/steroid under continuous use over two weeks will make the adrenal gland hormone-dependent. Steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs promise immediate results and are therefore often illegal used, commonly inside cosmetics. Song's patients have typical steroid side-effects while under treatment: increased appetite, fatigue, altered sense of taste, weight gain, and people had peeling glans on the penis (balanitis). These are entirely steroid responses, no other drugs cause them. Glucocorticoids should be slowly stopped, as the adrenals need 1-2 years to slowly resume. Some withdrawal symptoms show up after 10 days if you very suddenly turn off the hormones like contact dermatitis, hormone-dependent dermatitis, urethra and anus discomfort, burning and other physical pain, inflammation, erythema, scaling lesions, small septic sores, itching and tenderness, inflammation of the glans penis, anorexia, nausea, abdominal pain, diarrhea, sleepiness, blank expression, dizziness, lethargy, decreased resistance, impotence, menstrual disorders in women, or even primary hormone-dependent nephrotic syndrome, eyes/face/scrotal swelling, proteinuria! ! !
Personally, I feel he's still injecting this drug and other important western medicines. But used without control, such a drug would cause a lot of problems for patients! Patients under very difficult circumstances cannot be expected to find out what drugs are being used; patients find it difficult to think of the doctor as the problem. I recently heard that Song is mainly treating foreigners. American students helped him to make an English website. Song is also injecting what he calls an "enzyme", inorganic enzyme not likely, probably protease, such as lysozyme and so on. These things are generally used for equipment sterilization or external uses, not for injections. Without clinical trials, he gave patients injections of this, this is illegal. CCTV showed a program attacking this illegal practice, since allergic patients do not know what treatment they need if they do not know what is in the injections. Now that the domestic scene is getting difficult, Dr Song is shifting to treating foreigners [gives link to prostatitis--dot--org/clinic.html as an example].
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Truly shocking :sad:
Not medical advice: Read my progress to date : Read about my W-A clinic visit

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OMG, that's sad.

The last few posts on that page read.

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it's ok to make money but never to hurt people
"flame"
please, whoever speaks English, go to prostatitiscure.com to warn foreigner about this.
I dont' have time to translate much but there's a lot talk about his wife's role in asking for recommendations, there's a few there that said they are sorry for recommendating Dr. Song in the past due to pressure from Song's wife.
Age: 38 Onset: April 2006 Current | Symptoms: Update, doctor found no hemorroid but pruritus ani. Was doing very good for a while but lately are having more flares. | Symptoms: raw, irrated feeling, spams in balls and bladder area. Drugs: Omega 3 oil only and just started Prosta-Q in Feb 2008, currently not taking Prosta-Q. Treatment: relaxation, AHIP stretches, the book EVERYDAY ZEN, Worsened by: Coffee (not 100% sure)
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The claim by Chinese patients that Song is using steroids is supported by this statement by recent patient maupassant:
maupassant wrote:I've been told when I leave the clinic, I will feel worse for a week to ten days, because of the withdrawal of medications
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Guy de Maupassant was one of the fathers of the short story. Just saying...

Anyway, posts have been made on the other board and they do have a point: It's buyer beware so we should really let people make up their own minds. Mind you, this would be easier if all posts questioning Dr Song weren't deleted.

Oh and Rob, if you're reading this, fjt actually went to see Dr Song and came back with an unpleasant tale. He's the one Song paid money to so he wouldn't write about him on forums if you recall.
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As expected I am now banned from the Prostatitis.org forum with all posts deleted. Apparently I am "Webslave's sidekick". :-D

Of course, what this really means is that I'm not buying the "Your only hope is Dr Song!" routine, pointing out that there are other options and correcting them when they post things that are blatantly untrue.

Oh well, I guess it's up to everyone to find their own path and maybe we should let people find out for themselves. It's just a shame that pressure is going to be put on them by shills like Debbie and Rob.

And on that subject, Debbie and Rob: If you do come out from under your rock long enough to want to engage in a debate then feel free to do so. I know you have access to the board and I'm sure Webslave would make an exception about discussion on active infection for that particular topic.

Finally, I attach a screenshot of one of Debbie's posts after she'd nuked mine. Webslave, I shall leave it up to you if you want to sue her for slander.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3326/slanderdm8.png

P.S. It's also amusing that we're now being accused - and quite wrongly I may add - of posting the porn links that infest their forum. Are the admins so inept that they don't recognise spambots which attack every site on the net and know how to block them? It would seem so. With all the talk of infection you'd think that's one thing they would have figured out! :-D
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It's like water off a duck's back with me, Sleeper. Debbie is obviously a plant for Song. She professes a knowledge of prostatitis that no woman has, especially not a realtor's secretary, and now she is even offering to send copies of Song's emails to people who doubt her answers, not realizing that her almost daily communication with Song has given the game away. That forum is imploding, so nobody needs to take any action against it. I do check the messages there occasionally, mainly to see if Maupassant posts that he is cured. It's interesting to note that, so far, he has remained totally silent since returning from China. :wink:
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That website first promoted going to Manila in the Philippines to receive treatment from Dr. Feliciano for $10K. I guess after the promotional machine of the Philippines failed they focused their attention on a doctor, further away, in a communist country and going for twice the price.

Rob & Debbie, the admins, never appeared on that board in the past, but show up after it was back up while undergoing "treatment" in China, and upon their return they became admins.

Acting as admins, they have directed the posts in every single thread back to Dr. Song. I think they are most certainly shills that truly show the diabolic side of humanity in how man can prey upon the frailty of another.

Truly pathetic.
Age:37 | Onset Age: 35 | Symptoms: pain in testicles that comes and goes that also switches sides-trying to find a pattern as to "why" this happens/Rectal Burn at the 6 O'clock position at my anus which tends to flare around the periphery of my anus typically after defication but no perineum pain-no "golf ball" pain. Pain in testicles worsens as I sit but not always...Pain is not always present but depresses me. Pain used to be at a very high level but has subsided in time to a low level but has not gone away. Pain used to flare after sex but not as much as before although it still like playing russian roulette./
/Lack of SleepHelped By: I haven't found anything that has helped to my knowledge. Tried many many sessions of PT, accupuncture and chiropractic care but still have not found steady relief that takes me back to a pre CPPS state.
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Suddenly Debbie has started claiming that she has had trigger point therapy that didn't work.
debbie wrote:I did physical therapy which included a pelvic floor trigger point and abdomen massage 3 times a week for about 6 months. I felt much better but it never cured me. I wasn't cured until I treated my underlying infection. I got my infection treated and have never had to do any physical therapy again. It did make my symptoms more tolerable while I did it though.
This is clearly an invention, because she outlined all the treatments she and "Rob" had undertaken before without mentioning it. It's a horribly dishonest way of trying to discredit something — claim you tried it and it doesn't work. She is also reading this forum, because she is now using key phrases we use here, like "calming the pelvic nerves". They are starting a frankly libelous attempt to blacken me, the moderators and this forum as well, saying that I threatened to sue them (I never have done any such thing), saying that we want their site closed down (none of us have called for that AFAIK, and I am very grateful in some ways for its existence, since it siphons off the brain-dead infection obsessives), claiming that I am spamming their forum with porn (I have never posted anything there), etc.

Behind it all is Bradley Hennenfent, owner of Prostatitis.org and a huge network of similar sites all designed to promote himself and his writings, and who wants to get rid of this site as unwanted competition. I have written to the NIH about his activities, but the NIH's Leroy Nyberg, a long-time personal friend of Hennenfent's affable septuagenarian father, Mike Hennenfent, is deaf to anything I say on the issue. Such is life.

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I notified Dr Wise about the libellous postings on the other forum, which refer to him as well, and he advised me to ignore it, let it pass, that the comments referring to him were inaccurate, that we should leave the other forum alone, and that the truth speaks far louder than anybody's bitter opinion.

This is good counsel and I am asking you all not to post any further messages there or inflame the situation further. Let's let them be, for we know what's going on there without dwelling on it any further.

I'll only add to this thread if something very interesting crops up.
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Had to add this, a posting (edited for brevity) by one of Song's "cured" patients.
trlguy wrote:.... Dr. Song cured me. .... I spent 4 weeks in Arizona with Polacheck. NOTHING worked. I spent a lot of money before deciding to go to Song's clinic. It helped me. .... I do occasionally (maybe once every few months) have some symptom flare ups from either a strenuous exercise or something I ate. Now I use a TheraSeat at work, and at home, and in my car. It keeps the pressure off my prostate. I take any accredited quercetin product every day for overall prostate health and I stay away from spicy foods. It keeps me symptom free 99% of the time. .... I got worse before I got better when I got back from China. I think it was due to the filth [in China], but I really felt cured at about 6 mos. post-treatment. .... First off [the treatment by Song] hurts.. a lot. Anyone that tells you that it doesn't is not correct. I was afraid of the shots on day one and still on day 36. .... I witnessed some people getting injection through the neck for their throat, but luckily I never needed that. .... I think that I have some flare-ups because I am according to Dr. Song about 85% unblocked and pathogen free. I was there for 36 days and I had to leave after that. .... I also believe that the fact that I can cause symptoms by lifting something very heavy etc is proof that this is muscular in nature to an extent. If you have read about David Wise, I think you know what I am referring to. .... I have spoke with a lot of guys that feel worse after returning from China for a short time and then gradually they seem to get better.
Poor fellow, what a waste of time and money. He could be 99% cured (or better) without having gone there, it seems. :sad:
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NOTE: I have been accused elsewhere of "lying" and manipulating what trlguy posted in order to come up with the text above. I have not:
  • added any text
  • re-arranged the order of any sentences
  • deleted sentences or words in order to change meaning
However, I have removed a lot of unnecessary text in which the poor deluded man talks about passing "deposits" and "unblocking" his prostate, and other weird stuff, all part of the fantasies and sales spiel inculcated in patients by Song and his minions. If you need to read the exact original postings, send me a message and I'll send you a PDF of the full set of postings. Believe me, you won't learn much more other than the depth of misguided faith this man has in Song.

To those who have sent me PMs advising me to remain silent on this issue, I must remind you that I started this website chiefly to stop other sufferers being duped by unscrupulous conmen, and this is still a strong motivating force behind the existence of this forum and website. So no, I will not shut-up or play dead, especially when illuminating evidence like this emerges.

Hopefully, I won't have to add further to this thread. :roll:
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Dr Song is onto a new scam now, "curing" prostate cancer with herbs! :facepalm:



Note that the "John Kennedy" who reads a statement written for him in this video is the same Song operative who was actively recruiting patients for Song back in 2006-8. In those days he posed as a cured chronic prostatitis / chronic pelvic pain syndrome patient, now he's posing as a cured prostate cancer patient. :sad2:
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Dr. Song - New Review

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I know how this forum views Dr. Song and that there a tons of horror stories, but there was recently a pretty detailed positive review for this treatment elsewhere on the internet. It was pretty convincing in terms of it being a legitimate review rather than being a complete shill (which seems to be this Dr's M.O in the past) but I thought I'd share here to see what admin and other think. I asked the poster to post a video testimonial, and to continue posting video testimonials monthly.

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Ah, this decade's John and Debbie, then.

Also, this:
I can definitely confirm that I am cured, however, I still have a hefty healing process to go through that will take some time.
LOLno.

But hey: if you want to risk contracting Hep C for something that'll only empty your wallet and not help you then feel free.
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